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SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:24 pm
by SG1201T Citaro
With a change in my schedule which gave me the entire afternoon all to myself, I decided to dedicate it to counquering the ultimate bus journey - SVC 858 and film it all on camera. As a bonus, it was also to be done on one of only 3 NG363Fs in the 858 fleet for the novelty experience. Thus, after arriving at Woodlands Interchange on a 187 from Boon Lay, operated by a MAN NL323F(A22), I settled down into what would turn out to be a 40 minute hunt for the elusive MAN NG363F on 858.

(Just some background info, the MAN NG363Fs, commonly known as A24s, were procured by SMRT and were seen as direct replacements for the ageing Mercedes Benz O405Gs. A demonstrator unit, SMB388S, was delivered in April 2013 and began rotations on service 190 and was a direct replacement for TIB838H,the first ever articulated bus to hit Singapore's roads. Subsequently, 39 production units, SMB8001E - SMB8039Y were delivered. The bulk of these buses were deployed on the feeder routes operating out of Choa Chu Kang(3xx) and Woodlands(9xx). In November 2015, after various tests, NG363Fs began making daily appearances on SVC 858, which could not have been more welcome.)

(Being the longest continuous bus route in Singapore at 73.5km, 858, with its long route and complicated demand patterns, often experience heavy delays due to this service being the fastest link between the North of Singapore and Changi Airport. Bus bunching is a very common occurence on this route and ocassions which passengers at Punggol are unable to board an Airport-bound bus is very common. The extending of this route to serve Sembawang in 2010 only exacerbated the situation by adding even more demand. However, this service is uniquely difficult to increase capacity due to operational constraints. On other services, DDs can be deployed as long as the roads and the surrounding envrironment conditions permit it; however, due to the low headroom at Changi Airport Basement 1(which is where the bus stops), this is not possible. Deploying articulated buses was also not an option due to the large turning radius of the MB O405Gs, which prevented it from operating on certain sections of Airport Boulevard. Thus, only 12m rigid buses such as MAN A22s were allowed to operate on this route.)

(However, with the introduction of the MAN A24s, which have a tighter turning radius, SMRT began working with Changi Airport Group to test the feasibility of deploying articulated buses on this route. After many tests, MAN A24s finally began operating on 858 on the 29th of November 2015, with 3 buses being deployed. This makes 858 the first, and to date, the only service into Changi Airport to utilize articulated buses. It appears that a fleet restriction by the Airport is in place, with only 2 types of buses being permitted to operate into Changi Airport: the Mercedes Benz O530 Citaro and the MAN A24.)

After waiting for 40 mins, the wait paid off when a MAN A24, SMB8036E pulled into Woodlands Interchange after completing a rotation on 858. At the same time, the bus application I used indicated a "bendy" departing on 858 after 2 buses. Thus, after the first bus left, I joined the queue and skipped the next bus(both of which were Citaros) and sure enough, the next bus to depart on 858 at 1239H was the A24. Thus, after boarding, I took the frontmost seat on the left side of the bus(right behind the front doors, it is the best location to film a bus ride) and with that I settled in for the journey, which took 2hrs and 45mins.

Due to the timing which I was taking this bus, it was not packed up to maximum capacity and throughout the ride, seats were plenty and scattered. No bus bunching was observed during this trip. As usual, the bus captain took a toilet break at Terminal 2 before continuing on back to Woodlands. Nothing out of the ordinary was encountered during this trip(with the exception of a cameo appearance by the C151C at Yishun) and it was a textbook run, from Woodlands to Changi Airport and back, at least as routine as the juggernaut of all bus rides in Singapore.

At the end of the ride, the driver noticed that I had been on the bus since its departure nearly 3 hours ago and jokingly asked me if I would like to go for a second round. Though I was sorely tempted to(thank you, concession pass), I couldnt as I had other plans after that ๐Ÿ˜ญ but if given the time to, I would definitely go for round 2 ๐Ÿ˜‚. And with that, my round trip from Woodlands to Changi Airport and back, spanning 73.5km in 2hrs and 45mins, was complete.

(I will post the photos and video of this trip as soon as I can, im still in the midst of editing the video to give it location tags ๐Ÿ˜‚)

*Background information taken from Land Transport Guru, copyright goes to them

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Re: SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:38 am
by SG1201T Citaro
Re-attempted the hyperlapse yesterday (2 August) as the previous one had a major blooper at the end :lol:, arriving at Woodlands on a 187 operated by a MAN A95 Batch 2, having completed my mission (For more info, see this post: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=40). This time, it was the 0929H departure from Woodlands, operated by another MAN NG363F (A24), SMB8030X. This time, the bus was more packed and many people boarded, especially at Sembawang. However, the journey time was only 2hrs 50mins-5 mins longer than the previous ride. By the time the bus returned to Woodlands, the bus was relatively empty. And yes, the bus driver this time was the same driver from the SMB8036E, and at the end he seemed to recognize me from the previous trip, because he asked again "Second round?" To which I repiled that this trip was my second round :lol: :lol: :lol: and also I was on my way to catch SG5999Z from Bedok.

Once again, it was a routine journey, only slightly more crowded, and it was also observed that there were at least 4 MAN A24s on 858 and not 3 as stated previously - perhaps one of them is a split-shift or peak-hour bus.

Re: SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:24 pm
by Class234
I donโ€™t get why SMRT deploy 2-3 A24 for 169?858 left with 4-5 bendy and its getting worse

Re: SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:15 am
by SBS34D
Class234 wrote: โ†‘Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:24 pm I donโ€™t get why SMRT deploy 2-3 A24 for 169?858 left with 4-5 bendy and its getting worse
during peak periods, there are a few short sections with high demand. from Woodlands Int to Republic Poly which is 2 stops away, many Republic Poly students take s169 and prefer to crowd at the lower deck, although s902 is running. from Yishun Ave 3 to Yishun MRT, passengers also crowd at the lower deck due to the short distance. too bad s811 doesnt stop outside Yishun MRT, hence many pax prefer to take s169. thats why some bendies are still deployed. But overall, the DD fleet on s169 has increased over the last couple of years.

Re: SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:14 pm
by Class234
SBS34D wrote: โ†‘Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:15 am
Class234 wrote: โ†‘Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:24 pm I donโ€™t get why SMRT deploy 2-3 A24 for 169?858 left with 4-5 bendy and its getting worse
during peak periods, there are a few short sections with high demand. from Woodlands Int to Republic Poly which is 2 stops away, many Republic Poly students take s169 and prefer to crowd at the lower deck, although s902 is running. from Yishun Ave 3 to Yishun MRT, passengers also crowd at the lower deck due to the short distance. too bad s811 doesnt stop outside Yishun MRT, hence many pax prefer to take s169. thats why some bendies are still deployed. But overall, the DD fleet on s169 has increased over the last couple of years.
Well,Kranji normally use only 3 A24 for 184,3 A24 for 300,1 for 301 & 4 for 302 which left 2 spares A24.They can always transfer one A24 to Amdep/Wlbp for 858 which deserved the A24 more than 169.

Re: SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:13 am
by Acx1688
Agreed, SMRT buses fleet allocation is atrocious

With height restrictions at CGA, the remaining bendys shld be given to sv858, rather than other trunk/feeder svc.

sv858 has a strong demand throughout the day.

A supplement sv858e cld be introduced with full dd fleet, either terminating at T4 only or using the 4 departure halls driveway. Will it be introduced, NO WAY > LTA planners are too myopic...

Re: SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:32 am
by SBS34D
Acx1688 wrote: โ†‘Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:13 am Agreed, SMRT buses fleet allocation is atrocious

With height restrictions at CGA, the remaining bendys shld be given to sv858, rather than other trunk/feeder svc.

sv858 has a strong demand throughout the day.

A supplement sv858e cld be introduced with full dd fleet, either terminating at T4 only or using the 4 departure halls driveway. Will it be introduced, NO WAY > LTA planners are too myopic...
My idea is to build a DD friendly ITH for Changi Airport, then build driverless electric tram system to link this ITH to all the airport terminals. The trams can replace all the basement bus-stops in this way. And passengers no longer need to cross the basement driveway to the bus-stops and can wait for the trams in airconditioned comfort.

Re: SVC 858 - D1 on MAN NG363F(A24) SMB8036E

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:58 pm
by Class234
My suggestion

CCK-BPJ
300:3 A24 & 301:2 A24 + 3 spare A24.

Seletar
800:2 A24 / 806:3 A24 / 811:2 A24 / 812:2 A24 + 1 spare A24

Mandai
858:5 A24 + 2 spare A24

Woodlands
900:2 A24 / 901:2 A24 / 911:2 A24 / 912:2 A24 / 912A:2 A24 / 913:2 A24 + 3 spare A24